[newmanix]

Hi Nik,

Honestly. I discovered this site back in Feburary. At that time you already had a flyable model and was just making imprvements. I have poped in from time to time only to discover very little impovement for the ammount of time being taken. (My opinion) My suggestion is that you just release whatever you got sence it is in fact a flyable model right? As according to the videos you have posted? We will buy it as is for those of us who choses to do so. It already appears again appears to be better than Overland and Wilco. You can then add the downloadable updates later and take your time. Besides, some folks just simply want to take off, fly from A-B, and land. For others, we can see the product firsthand and start giving feedback on performance, glitches, possible improvements or just attest to how good the product is. I can't speak for everyone here but... the longer it takes you to put this on the market, the less I become interested. As I already own the Overland and Wilco models, I am starting to relive myself of the point of buying yet another A320 series aircraft for my simulation needs.

Just a suggestion. I will check back for a responce.

Thanks for the updates and keep up the apparent good work.

Regards,

newmanix

[airbadger]

Right. I'm sure now that "newmanix" has given the go-ahead for AirSimmer to release the A320 they will surely oblige and act accordingly.

[newmanix]

airbadger, on Jul 28 2008, 04:24 AM, said:

Right. I'm sure now that "newmanix" has given the go-ahead for AirSimmer to release the A320 they will surely oblige and act accordingly.

In responce to your sarcasm Mr. Badger,

It would be completely unethical for AirSimmer to simply "oblige and act accordingly" as you so astutely put. My point was for AirSimmer to simply come up with a way to release a "default" model which appears to already exist. I am sure all members would love this option as a temporary measure untill updates are ready while unilaterally earing the nessissary/unnessissary funds from the purchases made. And once again, it is only a suggestion. Not a demand as you seem to understand it through your sarcasm, which in fact was a very childesh responce indeed.

But I am sure your next presumably debatable responce will be more of an adult-like manner correct? Unless of cource... you are a child... Then I applogize.

Cheers fellow simmer,

newmanix

[OSA330]

newmanix, on Jul 27 2008, 11:48 PM, said:

It would be completely unethical for AirSimmer to simply "oblige and act accordingly" as you so astutely put. My point was for AirSimmer to simply come up with a way to release a "default" model which appears to already exist. I am sure all members would love this option as a temporary measure untill updates are ready while unilaterally earing the nessissary/unnessissary funds from the purchases made. And once again, it is only a suggestion. Not a demand as you seem to understand it through your sarcasm, which in fact was a very childesh responce indeed.

I wouldn't. I'd rather wait and get the 'bus as it was meant to be -- complex and realistic. There are plenty of "default" models out there right now.

[Banks]

I'd prefer to wait for a finished product, and not a half-assed rendition of such. If I wanted the later, I would certainly purchase what is already on the market.

Take your time Airsimmer, we <3 you!

[SwissMD-11]

If you "just want to take off and fly from A to B" I suggest you start looking elsewhere since this will most definitely not be the product for you...

[thepilot]

SwissMD-11, on Jul 30 2008, 03:07 AM, said:

If you "just want to take off and fly from A to B" I suggest you start looking elsewhere since this will most definitely not be the product for you...

Uhm, if Airsimmer really likes statements like this? After all they're a commercial vendor aiming to make money, so discourage certain simmers from buying is not an economic step IMO.
By the way, I also 'just' want to fly from A to B. Depends on how you do it...

[Nik Efimov]

With all honesty, flying the real Airbus from A to B is not such a complex task, with so many systems automated.

Flying from A to B properly is a different matter.

I would say this product is for anyone who wants to fly the bus. It will give you features to be able to fly properly, but it won't make it obligatory.

[newmanix]

Nik Efimov, on Jul 30 2008, 04:15 PM, said:

With all honesty, flying the real Airbus from A to B is not such a complex task, with so many systems automated.

Flying from A to B properly is a different matter.

I would say this product is for anyone who wants to fly the bus. It will give you features to be able to fly properly, but it won't make it obligatory.

This is somthing I am looking forward to. The Overland and Wilco models can only do just that. Get me from A to B. I find myself using my Captain Sim 757 more than anything else I own. These extra features AirSimmer is proposing are very intriguing. There will be however, be people who are not interested in these features or won't take the time to learn how to use them. Even myself. Sometimes (late at night after work) when I am tired and ready for bed, all I will do is take off from Zurich and land at Leipzig. Quick and simple. Forget AES, ATC, FDC, ETC... Just A to B. We all do it. And it would be fun to just play around with it untill the other updates are avail. It's only a suggestion.

newmanix

[newmanix]

thepilot, on Jul 30 2008, 10:53 AM, said:

SwissMD-11, on Jul 30 2008, 03:07 AM, said:

If you "just want to take off and fly from A to B" I suggest you start looking elsewhere since this will most definitely not be the product for you...

Uhm, if Airsimmer really likes statements like this? After all they're a commercial vendor aiming to make money, so discourage certain simmers from buying is not an economic step IMO.
By the way, I also 'just' want to fly from A to B. Depends on how you do it...

Very good point you made there! Which prompted the responce from Nik to clarify. This is a product for everyone. Not just for those of you who think you know it all. I think for those who won't use "proper" features be given the opportunity to purchase a "default" model which appears already completed from the videos. The "default" would still kick @$$ over anything else on the market as according to what we have seen here. And later on, the full features could be still downloaded from the site at any time.

newmanix

[newmanix]

Question. Well couple questions.

1. On a scale of 1-10 how confident are you guys that this product will be released by the end of 2008?

2. Can some of us living in the L.A. area (where you guys and girl seem to be) come down and test the product prior to release?

Just curious...


newmanix

[David Rogers]

newmanix, on Aug 1 2008, 06:56 AM, said:

Question. Well couple questions.

1. On a scale of 1-10 how confident are you guys that this product will be released by the end of 2008?

2. Can some of us living in the L.A. area (where you guys and girl seem to be) come down and test the product prior to release?

Just curious...


newmanix

Newmanix - You're strange! ....... I don't mean this as a fundamental insult but you seem to be living on the fringes of reality. Your statement where you've said "we all do it" concerning just taking off and landing without operating the aircraft properly, is not true. I never do this. Ever. That's like, ever. For me, this hobby is about simulation not playing games. I do not use any other type of 'video game'. Every flight I ever make, whether in a Piper Super Cub or a 744 is a simulation of operating the real aircraft.

Don't think that the whole world sees things as you do from your eyes - that's one of the things that causes so many problems in the world today.

As to your suggestion that Airsimmer are going to open their doors and let people walk of the street to test their products prior to release ...........well, that's where the 'living on the fringes of reality' comment comes back in.

I don't mean to insult you but just that I've not seen any previous posts from you around here and you've come along making some fairly fundamental and sweeping comments that are essentially just trying to hurry Airsimmer up in their release.

Some of us have been on this forum for 2 years, encouraging and supporting the dev - thus you have to accept our apologies if we appear defensive in response to posts like yours.

D.

[newmanix]

David Rogers, on Aug 6 2008, 01:07 PM, said:

newmanix, on Aug 1 2008, 06:56 AM, said:

Question. Well couple questions.

1. On a scale of 1-10 how confident are you guys that this product will be released by the end of 2008?

2. Can some of us living in the L.A. area (where you guys and girl seem to be) come down and test the product prior to release?

Just curious...


newmanix

Newmanix - You're strange! ....... I don't mean this as a fundamental insult but you seem to be living on the fringes of reality. Your statement where you've said "we all do it" concerning just taking off and landing without operating the aircraft properly, is not true. I never do this. Ever. That's like, ever. For me, this hobby is about simulation not playing games. I do not use any other type of 'video game'. Every flight I ever make, whether in a Piper Super Cub or a 744 is a simulation of operating the real aircraft.

Don't think that the whole world sees things as you do from your eyes - that's one of the things that causes so many problems in the world today.

As to your suggestion that Airsimmer are going to open their doors and let people walk of the street to test their products prior to release ...........well, that's where the 'living on the fringes of reality' comment comes back in.

I don't mean to insult you but just that I've not seen any previous posts from you around here and you've come along making some fairly fundamental and sweeping comments that are essentially just trying to hurry Airsimmer up in their release.

Some of us have been on this forum for 2 years, encouraging and supporting the dev - thus you have to accept our apologies if we appear defensive in response to posts like yours.

D.

Mr. Rogers,

Hi neighbor!

Let's get started. Shall we?

When you say "we" surly you mean "you" and whom ever is sitting next to you, in front of your computer, or who ever is in Mr. David Rogers neighborhood.

As far as living on "the fringes of reality". David, you are welcome join me as Regional Vice President for the worlds second oldest airline. I will happly show you the fringes of reality. Perhaps my statement "we all do it" was far fetched as you are surly an exception to the rule. Indeed you are an "all-or-nothing" individual as pertaining to your simulation habits. There is nothing wrong with that. However, I will stick with, not everyone goes through the "complete" and I do mean "complete" checklists and procedures every single time they start a flight. Not everyone. These people are surly in line to purchase this product same as you are.

As far as your attempts to call me strange. Thay are simply as that, you calling me strange. Hmm... well... ok... You also said: "Don't think that the whole world sees things as you do from your eyes." Now where in any of my what 5 or 6 posts did I say or imply that? I clearly stated time and again, MY OPINION. Don't get me wrong, I am not yelling at you here, but hopefully you see it this time as you seemed to have missed it. This forum is for queries and sharing OPINIONS which is all I have done here. State my opinion and ask questions. And to think... you think, you are not "fundamentaly insulting" me by calling me strange... Hmm... really impressed with you thus far Mr. Rogers.

By the way, this statement you made: Don't think that the whole world sees things as you do from your eyes - that's one of the things that causes so many problems in the world today.

David, that statement an incredbly, inexorably, oxymoronic statement indeed. Well, there I go stating my opinion again... Still with me here? Well lets continue... By the way, I wonder if my professors thought I was strange when I obtained my Masters Degree... Hmm got to go back and ask! LOL!!

This next one is easy!

You wrote the following: "As to your suggestion that Airsimmer are going to open their doors and let people walk of the street to test their products prior to release ...........well, that's where the 'living on the fringes of reality' comment comes back in."

Well the following companies have done and do just that.
SONY
DELL
YAMAHA
Captain Sim
Overland Products
Microsoft (Items like XBOX)
Nintendo
Ion Storm
Edos Interactive
UK 2000
CLS Simulations

Shall I continue?? Because there are like.... um... 1 or 200 fortune 500 companies arround the world whom encourage people "off the street" to test products for various reasons. Ever been invited to screen a film weeks prior to release? Because living in LA, i've been invited to hunderds of those "off the street."
Sure you want to stick with that statement?

Still think I am strange? Well of cource you do Mr. Rogers! Of cource you do! Let's keep going.

You also said: "and you've come along making some fairly fundamental and sweeping comments that are essentially just trying to hurry Airsimmer up in their release."

Now Mr. Roger, this is the first correct statement you have made so far. You are correct! Good for you! I'm offically impressed!

Ok, let's wrap this. In your last statement you wrote: "Some of us have been on this forum for 2 years, encouraging and supporting the dev - thus you have to accept our apologies if we appear defensive in response to posts like yours."

Again, who is this we? Are there like 15 of you contributing to the same post under the user name David Rogers or what? I do accept YOUR applogy as no one else other than you is applogizing. And I am not really sure why? You don't need to applogize to me for sharing your opinion. That is your right under AirSimmers "Terms of use". And YOU don't appear defensive in any way. I respect your opinion David. This is why I am taking the 5 minutes out of my busy day to respond to you. We are currently still prepairing for the A380. Emirates brought the A380 here yesterday but they refused to help us by having their aircraft towed to test the new gates here. But why should they? We will have to wait untill October after all to see what will go wrong. So do I live on the fringes of reality? Well in my position it sure feels like it. We have been in the news alot lately. Either way, I love my job!

The only other job I would ever do is become a pilot. But that whole flying simply from A to B in real life may kill alot of passengers! Better, let you fly the plane because for you, this hobby is about simulation not playing games. You do not use any other type of 'video game'. Every flight you ever make, whether in a Piper Super Cub or a 744 is a simulation of operating the real aircraft.

Do take care Mr. Rogers. And I won't applogize for the format or content of my post because it is my free OPINION. Although, I surely have stated several facts havn't I?


Cheers fellow simmer,

I hope AirSimmer produces the wonderful product you have been waiting 2 years to enjoy.

newmanix

[Nik Efimov]

Newmanix,

We don't have offices/retail stores (unlike Sony, Yamaha, Dell....), so we do not have the capability to showcase our product in those conditions. I'm also not sure if companies like Captain Sim or UK2000 also offer "off the street" demos. If you're talking about "try before you buy", then you have Flight One's 30-day money-back guarantee. You will effectively pay nothing to try it out for 30 days. Looks like a fair deal to me.

As for your 1 to 10 scale - sorry. No release estimates. Not even confidentiality scales.

[newmanix]

Nik Efimov, on Aug 7 2008, 04:59 AM, said:

Newmanix,

We don't have offices/retail stores (unlike Sony, Yamaha, Dell....), so we do not have the capability to showcase our product in those conditions. I'm also not sure if companies like Captain Sim or UK2000 also offer "off the street" demos. If you're talking about "try before you buy", then you have Flight One's 30-day money-back guarantee. You will effectively pay nothing to try it out for 30 days. Looks like a fair deal to me.

As for your 1 to 10 scale - sorry. No release estimates. Not even confidentiality scales.

Hi Nick,

Thanks much for your reply. A few pilot friends were given personal demos to try the software of other FS9 producs prior to release. I was just wondering if you guys were planning to do the same as I have a handful of friends that fly Airbus aircraft that I have recomended to this site and are quite interested. I was asking on their behalf. Not really sure if that would be beneficial your devlopment or not. Although I am certain you already have Airbus pilots working with you on this one. Hopefully, you will have somthing for us by the end of the year. If not, i'll keep checking back. It's good that you are active in the forum, tells us that you guys havn't faded away if you know what I mean. I think the trial verson will be great though! Looking forward to that.

Best regards,

newmanix

[mowgli789]

Can't help but want to stick up for 'Mr Rogers' a little here.

Firstly, for someone who has a masters degree you should probably learn to spell 'surely'. Surly has a very different meaning. I don't have a masters so I might be wrong.

Also, the statement: "Don't think that the whole world sees things as you do from your eyes - that's one of the things that causes so many problems in the world today.", is not an oxymoran. It may be considered hypocritical, but I'm struggling to see that sentance as a oxymoron.

In terms of release I think what 'Mr Rogers' was trying to say is that there are a few of us that have been following this forum for quite a while and in that time we have learnt that the Airsimmer team are not going to release anything until they are 100% happy with it - so they aren't going to release a lite version when they haven't finished just to tie some people over. I agree to a certain extent that a lot people would be satisfied with this, but there are other sims like this on the market and Airsimmer are going after a brand image of pretty much as real as you can get.

We have a good wait until this will be released still, but I have no doubt that it is going to be worth it.

Ben

[samdim]

please use PM or go to see each other personally for your private attacks. This forum is not the place for that.

[joan]

Hello for all.

Dear samdim and nik.
I think you know PSS's airbus family has been a "starting editor"
well you can chose your aircraft's options ex:dark kockpit and ready for take off.Do you have this option(your work)?

Thank a lot.

Joan

[Nik Efimov]

we'll have that, yes

[Zoya]

newmanix, on Jul 31 2008, 10:56 PM, said:

Can some of us living in the L.A. area (where you guys and girl seem to be) come down and test the product prior to release?

Just curious...


newmanix

Dear Newmanix,

This is a great idea, actually, especially since Avsim, where one would normally have this opportunity, has been cancelled this year. We have conferred, and we will schedule a demo session for those who wish to physically test the product. Although we will not be offering any take-home demos, there will be plenty of time to do your own test-flights. Just so that we can plan this properly, I'd like to get a "show of hands" of how many people would actually be interested in attending. It would most surely occur on a weekend, to accommodate most people's work schedule.

PS: The date for this event is yet to be determined, and I request that we refrain from discussing dates in this thread until further notice.